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Credit Market Developments

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Treasury has proposed a $700 billion taxpayer funded (through issuance of debt) purchase program to acquire real estate assets from the financial industry. This has been coming for a long time, and goes all the way back to the failed Super SIV that was being discussed last Fall. Of course, the numbers have grown from what was a $70 - $100 billion plan to the current $700 billion plus plan, and this plan has the taxpayers purchasing the bad assets directly. The accounting issues of valuation, however, have not changed. What has changed is that the crisis has become so bad we are probably willing to throw out the rules to save the game.

The plan is essentially a $700 billion revolving line to acquire real estate assets at whatever prices and from whatever sellers Treasury wants. There is no protection for taxpayers in Treasury's proposal, and I can only assume Treasury has left this aspect of the plan for Congress to address. If this isn't ringing alarm bells all over Washington and Main Street I don't know what will.

Treasury Secretary Paulson has submitted a very broad plan that gives him extraordinary discretion and prohibits any agency or judicial review. You can see a copy of what was submitted in this CNN article and read a description of the plan at the Treasury's website. The submission raises many questions, three of which I will discuss:

1. There is no provision for protection of taxpayers. As written, it seems that Treasury will simply purchase, at whatever price Treasury determines,

Mortgage-Related Assets.--The term "mortgage-related assets" means residential or commercial mortgages and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case was originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008.

The big question – at what price? If Treasury purchases securities at current market prices it doesn't necessarily help the financial institutions that own them. Right now losses that would occur at market prices are being deferred through secured lending by the Federal Reserve, but this is obviously insufficient. If these assets are in addition to those pledged to the Fed, then this is a multi-trillion dollar problem. If Treasury pays more than current market prices, then how is the taxpayer protected? Not to get off on a rant here, but it seems to me that any financial institution that sells securities to taxpayers pursuant to this program should, at a minimum, direct all dividends to the Treasury until taxpayers have been fully repaid, at which time they can have the balance of the securities returned. It really irks me to think that financial institutions could sell the crap they profited from so handsomely over the past decade to taxpayers, letting us assume the risk, while the owners continue to collect dividends. Absolutely horrible result that I truly hope Congress will address. Some may argue that this would make it difficult for these institutions to raise capital, but that should be irrelevant now since the taxpayers are providing the capital if we pay above market prices for their securities. Another point – why are we purchasing commercial real estate assets and what are the limitations on commercial vs. residential?

2. I think there is a lack of transparency. The current proposal provides for a report to Congress three months after the program begins and then every six months. As a taxpayer whose money is being spent on these assets I want to know every week how much, who, when, and so on. I want to know which institutions are benefiting, how we are getting compensated for it, what is the asset rated, what is the mark-to-market value, and so on. Without full disclosure this plan is ripe for abuse and all purchases need to be fully disclosed. I suppose there is an argument that disclosing which institutions are selling assets to taxpayers could jeopardize the institutions, but since they would be receiving a capital infusion from the purchase this should not be an issue. Poor disclosure is one of the issues that got us here in the first place and any plan to address this crisis must include full disclosure.

3. The amount of this bailout is unclear. It specifies that:

The Secretary's authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time

This means we could be purchasing a lot more than $700 billion worth of this stuff, we just will not own more than $700 billion at any one time. How do we account for the value of these assets? If Treasury purchases an asset for $1 million and receives principal payments that reduce the face amount of the asset, do those payments reduce the $700 billion even though we may still take a loss on the balance of the $1 million we paid? If so, this is more likely a $1 trillion plan (or more).

In other bailout news (post AIG taxpayer bailout), the Fed established a line of credit that is reportedly $230 billion to purchase asset-backed commercial paper on a non-recourse basis (meaning the Fed will own the stuff). Asset backed commercial paper was at the heart of this crisis to begin with and is where funding dried up last week. What does this commercial paper fund? Everything, including auto loans, credit cards, and so on. If this market freezes your credit card may not work, and the resulting panic could be devastating. Think how you would react if told you could not charge your groceries on your credit card because Citibank doesn't have the money to lend you. In addition, companies could find it impossible to fund payrolls causing more panic. This is one of the reasons Treasury acted on its plan – justified fear. (For a good explanation about how asset backed commercial paper works see this fitch report).

So what happened in the commercial paper market? In general, money market investors put money into money market mutual funds that then use the money to purchase assets including asset-backed commercial paper. But when a large money market mutual fund reported that it took a loss and that investors would lose money, money market mutual funds in general received calls for redemptions from investors who feared losing their money – a run on money market mutual funds. As night follows day, the mutual funds stopped purchasing commercial paper and put their liquidity into Treasury securities, driving the interest rate on short term Treasuries to negative on at least one issue and the interest rate on commercial paper way up. This is a clear dislocation in the credit markets and the Fed jumped in to provide liquidity for commercial paper. In addition to the Fed's new plan to purchase commercial paper, Treasury reached back to a depression era law to insure money market mutual funds. Funds can buy into the plan that will insure investors against losses. This has irked some banks that believe this places them at a competitive disadvantage to insured money market mutual funds and could cause their funding to dry up – more unintended consequences (do I hear whack-a-mole?).

One more item on the list of things being done to avoid a total meltdown – relaxation of regulations on financial firms. Since these firms cannot raise any capital because their business models are in question regulators have relaxed capital requirements – temporarily, of course. Another thing regulators did was relax the restriction on using commercial bank deposits to fund investment bank operations. After the great crash of 1929 and the ensuing depression, Congress split up the investment banks and commercial banks because investments made by investment banks in equities were too prone to value fluctuation that could wipe out depositor funds. The FDIC was established to insure deposits and banks were limited as to what they could do with those deposits (to protect the taxpayers from having to bail out excessive risk taking). The law that kept investment and commercial banks separated was repealed in 1999 (corrected), but there was regulation in place that prohibited these new combined banks from transferring commercial bank deposits to investment bank affiliates. Some of this regulation is currently being relaxed so that investment banks that are affiliated with commercial banks can get access to the stable deposit based funds of the commercial banks. The result is that to some extend the FDIC and taxpayer are now behind assets of the investment banking affiliates of the large commercial banks that have such affiliates. We have gone backwards (I bet Merrill Lynch and Bank of America appreciated this change that occurred the same time they merged).

For a time I was keeping tabs on the total cost of this credit implosion and the risk to taxpayers but the numbers are getting hard to follow. Based on current media reports the Fed is now up to $700 - $800 billion in credit and commitments, Treasury is asking for a $700 billion revolving credit facility from the taxpayers that is likely to be more than $700 billion in aggregate purchases, and so far the Federal Home Loan banks have issued some $250 - $300 billion in new taxpayer guaranteed debt to lend to banks against mortgage collateral. Oh yes, FHA has approximately $100 billion in new loan guarantees from FHA Secure and has another $300 billion authorized guarantee capacity to refinance defaulted mortgages. Are we at $2 trillion yet? If not, just add the GSE loans and MBS purchases Treasury plans (there are no limits on the amounts here) and whatever funds the GSEs need to stay solvent, and we have taxpayer exposure of well over $2 trillion even before the federal guarantees of the GSEs' debt. These numbers don't include losses that banks have reported on write-downs of securities. The result so far - Treasury has asked for an increase in the debt ceiling twice, this time to $11.3 Trillion (approximately 80% of GDP). One more point. If the total of all residential mortgages in The United States is in the $10.6 trillion range, and taxpayers now explicitly guarantee $5.5 trillion through Fannie and Freddie and are or will be at risk for say $2.5 trillion through all of the interventions noted above, then taxpayers could ultimately be on the hook (either through guarantees or ownership) for some 75 - 80% of the entire outstanding amount of residential mortgages in The United States. I find that staggering.

A couple of nits that I have:

1. Too bad Treasury didn't go out and raise the money last week when interest rates on Treasuries were at historic lows. Probably would have saved a lot in interest.

2. CNBC should stop praising Jim Cramer as though he is some sort of visionary for talking about a bailout plan like this one. Everyone has always known that the government could step in and get behind lots of private debt to shore up the markets. In fact, everyone has been talking about it for some time. Treasury just didn't until it was necessary because if it did it wouldn't get approval for it. No great vision here. When Cramer comes up with a way to protect taxpayers that Congress will pass and that will resolve the credit crisis call me.

3. If there was ever a time to fix the unfair and disproportionate tax treatment for hedge fund and private equity managers (the 15% rate on "carried interest"), now would be it. In fact, several years ago would have been better. When this was in the public discourse several months back industry pundits argued that if you taxed hedge funds you would get less of them. Right now that sounds like a good idea. Fewer hedge funds, fewer credit default swaps, less systemic risk.

4. Like many of the talking heads on television, I am angered by all of the blatently excessive amounts of compensation paid to Wall Street bankers and executives over the past six years or so that is ultimately proving to be gains from the largest Ponzi scheme in the history of the world. There should be some recourse, though I don't claim to know how that could work.

5. With absolutely no proof that trickle down Reagan/Bush-onomics has ever worked, an exploding national debt, an exploding national deficit, and the impending baby boom retirement isn't it time to stop talking about tax cuts for the investor class?

6. And finally, when will we, as a taxpaying and voting public, stop allowing the politicians to distract us with witch hunts for evil short sellers from the real issues – the fact that the political system has been for sale to the highest bidder and the highest bidder often turns out to be Wall Street and Wall Street.

PS - there are other developments, such as the Fed now accepting equities as collateral for certain loans under the Primary Dealer Credit Facility. To find out more about what the Fed is up to you can go to its website and click around the press releases.

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{"commentId":3034222,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

Some of this may be double counting. For example, if Treasury purchases securities that are currently pledged to the Fed, you would not treat that as an addition to taxpayer exposure. Still, this is staggering.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":3042760,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Good article. Certainly 99% better than the dross that has been written on this website about this crisis and much better than a lot of the stuff in the MSM.

I would, however, add one final numbered point to your list. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be put out of existence once and for all. They should be chopped up and sold off in pieces to other firms. Having two behemoths with deep political tentacles (running up the rearend of a jackass primarily and not an elephant) accounting for 70% of the secondary mortgage market is insane. Don't hold your breath waiting for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid going along with this though much less Barack Obama.

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  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":3042891,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Bill:

Pardon me. It's not better than a "a lot" of the MSM stuff, it's better than ALL of it.

:^{)>

On your Fannie and Freddie thing, they should either do what you recommend or return it to its original New Deal mission as a Federal Agency operating in the public interest.

That is, if we want them to uphold fiduciary duty, they need to be broken up and privatized. If we want them to perform a social function, they can't be saddled with fiduciary duty.

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  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049973,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

I agree with both of you on this one. These firms were too big and too powerful. At the same time they have performed a valuable public service for decades. I love this excerpt from the statement released by James Lockhart about the FHFA takeover: "all political activities – including all lobbying – will be halted immediately."

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  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":3050200,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

That's the biggest joke of all. If you allow any entity or entities to control 70% of any market, they're going to attract those seeking to curry special favors like flies on honey.

Fannie, as you know, came about during the '30s as a way of freeing up small lending institutions to make more home loans by getting the loans off their books and tying up capital for thirty years. There is just no need for such entities today and besides which we've already got one for poorer home buyers in the form of FHA and other state-run programs like here in VA in VHDA.

The anti-trust division at Justice has been supine now for going on thirty years. I don't think it was a good idea at all to allow B of A to buy Merrill. You're simply creating another "too big to fail" entity. I'd have been more in favor of simply nationalizing Merrill and then chopping it up and selling off the assets.

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  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
{"commentId":3054925,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

Bill - I think there is real subterfuge going on with the IBanks. First, the Fed relaxed rules on using FDIC insured deposits to fund IBank operations (that happened the day Merrill & BOA merged). In effect, this is a taxpayer guaranty for Merrill without any congressional review and could be the seeds of the next disaster. With Goldman and Morgan converting into national bank holding companies they will benefit from the same rule relaxation as Merrill and they may be entitled to use more favorable accounting treatment to value their assets. If I get some time I want to look into that more - if you know anything about it please comment. The Fed relaxed rules today on private ownership of financial institutions - another move that could contribute to the next disaster as private equity groups that control all types of businesses purchase controlling interests in federally backstopped institutions.

I feel like I did just before we attacked Iraq. I feel as though we are being frightened into doing things that in the long run are very bad ideas, but only those in power know all of the details. It's Paulson's way or else. I think we need debate on how to approach this crisis, and I would love to hear plans that focus on supporting market function while allowing bankrupt entities to fail. One problem is that those working on fixing the problems are the same people who created it and their view is strongly biased toward Wall Street. I have a bad feeling about this.

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  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
{"commentId":3065017,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

Poleclaw--

Tremendous, tremendous article. Your analysis is far more in depth than anything I've read on this subject. Thank you caltha for the hat tip.

I'm going to read it a second time before I comment--quite a lot to absorb! But I'm with you on most points, and agree with Bill that we should have nationalized Merrill rather than form this very frightening hybrid with B of A. I think Fannie/Freddie would make a fine Federal Agency, but would have to be scaled back for that to work. First off, we certainly don't need both as competing agencies...so some chopping up and selling off is in order no matter which way it goes.

Great article, truly...

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  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":3069675,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

The problem as I see it, however, is that quick action is needed before the entire system seizes up in a massive meltdown of wealth in equities and a bank run that will dwarf what we're talking about now. We simply do not have time right now to have a big debate on the Hill about this. This pool of bad paper needs to get flushed out right now and onto the federal books as a contingent liability until such time as the markets stabilize and the assets can be sold, probably for a profit to the taxpayer. Right now there's a flight to commodities and bonds and nobody's lending to anyone because everyone's afraid of any collateralized debt instrument. The entire global finance system could melt down before our very eyes.

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  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":3070043,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

So do you think the Government should buy up the companies or the assets, Bill? That's probably a simplified version of a much more complex question, but some clarification if you don't mind...

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  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":3070238,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

E.D. - thank you:-)

Bill - Yup, a time for panic. Spreads were getting a bit scary again today. I've been writing about this for a year now and it just keeps getting worse. It's a good thing Bernanke knows what he's doing. Can you imagine what this would be like if he were taking reserves out of the system? What if we had no FDIC deposit insurance? There would be daily bank runs and negative treasury spreads. This would have been over a long time ago with a very bad result.

After listening to today's hearings I say give Paulson a month's worth of purchasing power right now and work out the details for the rest over the next week or so. At the same time explore other alternatives and try to figure out if this will actually work. There has to be strong accountability and taxpayer protection of some sort. I think tax receipts are going to fall more than expected if people believe they are simply bailing out Wall Street executives who make seven figure salaries. Tax avoidance in the mind of the average small-business person becomes more justifiable, especially if business is off at the same time. Barter anyone?

I liked Schumer's suggestion of an industry funded insurance pool to back taxpayer exposure, although I think it should come at the expense of equity dilution. (How is it the financial firms are still paying dividends yet taxpayers need to inject capital?) If it gets baked into the cost structure of the banks it will just pass the cost along to taxpayers anyway, making the banks less competitive in the process. I think I understand Paulson's point, that this needs to be a "market" solution rather than an institution by institution solution, but to simply ignore the implications to taxpayers is, well, bold. If he had included a well thought out approach to this issue in his proposal we may have been much further along than we are now.

I must say I am amazed at the lack of professional presentation for the taxpaying audience. If these guys were trying to sell an IPO you bet there would be a slide show with all the bells and whistles. Where is the prime time television presentation to explain to us why we are being pressured into spending $3,000 for every living human being in the country in an "attempt" to stave off financial ruin? Who, what, why, when, how? Instead they are approaching it as though they are the only ones who can understand it so we should just give them our money and let them take care of it. That part of this whole misadventure, the arrogance, really pisses me off. It's painfully apparent in the proposal sent to Congress by the administration and it certainly hasn't helped speed this process along.

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  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
{"commentId":3072623,"authorDomain":"Meloney"}

The rush presentation to buy up the tainted securities before the Congressional recess was bolstered by personal appearances for support (Cheney leads ). The arrogance was palpable. IMO the rush to act on this plan now amounts to financial terrorism.

The goal of the plan, to soak up securities gone bad and lubricate the wheels to continue business, is why this proposal should fail. If there is sufficient faith in these institutions to continue business the market might have responded. Clearly that faith isn't there. The assets they've invented out of their loans (derived from mortgages) are now liabilities. The market won't have them yet they hope the US taxpayer will buy them up? It is arrogance in the extreme to expect us to buy what no one else wants.

There have been suggestions that it there was sufficient faith in these firms to continue business why not grease their wheels with cash infusion in exchange for a partial interest, ownership, in the business. OR Why not take the money it would cost to buy up the bad securities and start a new bank?

The dollar has lost 45% of it's value (against the Euro) in the last 7 years. The treasury has been plundered (years of deficit spending and low interest rates), our currency devalued and the same guys turn to us with threats of impending disaster if we refuse their bail-out scheme to buy up their products gone bad. Yes, it's arrogance.

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  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:58 AM EDT
{"commentId":3074901,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}
(How is it the financial firms are still paying dividends yet taxpayers need to inject capital?)

Yes! This has been plaguing me as well...The dishonesty of it--and they expect taxpayers to back this? We obviously have to do something, and I think your 1-month proposal is a good place to start, but it would be smart for these companies to start at least appearing honest...

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  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":3077699,"authorDomain":"Meloney"}

At least 20 financial companies have slashed dividend yields. They used to be the highest yielding dividend sector. Depending on their exposure on these bad securitized mortgage instruments (or something else, like credit swaps) the firms work out what will allow them to attract further investments and business. For an example take a look at the news of Citibank's slash from earlier this year. If they were to discontinue dividends altogether they'd likely lose more investors and "need" more of a bailout.

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  • 5 votes
#1.12 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":3077754,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

The problem is they aren't attracting private capital even with their dividends so they are calling on public capital. Well, that's fine, then pay the dividends or some other form of equity participation to the public that is being asked to put in the capital.

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  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":3102551,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

I couldn't agree more with your comment at the top of this subthread. Immediate action must be taken and the hashing out of the details concerning greater capital reserve/debt ratios, etc. can be worked out later. Short-term treasuries are again approaching negative yields as investors rush to bonds and commodities. I'll have a full article up tomorrow touching on some of this.

I also agree with you completely on Bernanke who made his bones as an economist writing about the Great Depression. If this thing isn't stanched and stanched now we could have another bank run that would make the aforementioned crisis look like child's play and then the only way out would be to monetize this and set off a ruinous inflation of untold proportion.

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  • 5 votes
#1.14 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":3106392,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Bill:

As the Economist pointed out this week, a bank run this time won't be a bunch of struggling yeoman pounding on the door of the Bedford Falls Savings and Loan, it'll be (already is, actually) the huge institutional investors "adjusting" their portfolios.

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  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:01 AM EDT
{"commentId":3109625,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

j - run in progress is correct. If it spreads to the commercial banks even though there is FDIC insurance then the system certainly comes down. I do know people taking cash out of their bank accounts and putting it under the pillow just in case - a bad sign.

There is a good piece in the FT on the "bank" run in progress. I recommend it if you are following this mess and have not read it yet. If you cannot access it there you may be able to access it here.

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  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:18 AM EDT
{"commentId":3120178,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}

We already have bank runs in progress-perhaps under another name.
We already are monetizing the problem and will have ruinous inflation-after the big guys get out.

I just don't get it.

1. The same people who caused the mess are still in power, including the regulatorsl
2. The Government is getting ready to implement a program that few know anything about which will grant it massive power and nobody cares.
3. The only ones getting bailout are the big guys.
4. At some point the economy will implode and prices will revert to a more realistic point.
5. Take the medicine now or take it worse later.
6. What, exactly, causes you to trust these very same folks?
7. If the firm can't pay dividends, it can't pay dividends.
8. Why are we penalizing those companies who are doing well?
9. The bailout starts at the top instead of the bottom.
10. The bailout requires a massive infusion of new money which in the end will have little effect on values unless we see huge inflation. Those are the two choices.
11. There is so much wrong with this plan, including that both parties and all branches and Wall Street all seem to agree.

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  • 5 votes
#1.17 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
{"commentId":3120732,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

I think the bailout will continue, and bottom up is likely next. Remember, taxpayers already guarantee deposits at commercial banks. If they start dropping like flies we are on the hook anyway. Very complicated. Early on I was adamantly opposed to helping individual borrowers escape their commitments at taxpayer expense. The problem is that this is such a big problem taxpayers on the hook one way or the other and I suspect there will be a lot of bailing out in the future in the name of saving the economy for all.

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  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":3254012,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Bill ...Good article. Certainly 99% better than the dross that has been written on this website about this crisis and much better than a lot of the stuff in the MSM.

jack...Pardon me. It's not better than a "a lot" of the MSM stuff, it's better than ALL of it.

It's time for a group hug when the three of us are in complete agreement!!  Way to go polecolaw, outstanding and clipped everywhere.  Thanks too for the link in the fables Jack!   

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  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 12:29 AM EDT
{"commentId":3256140,"authorDomain":"SthPacific"}
3. If there was ever a time to fix the unfair and disproportionate tax treatment for hedge fund and private equity managers (the 15% rate on "carried interest"), now would be it. In fact, several years ago would have been better. When this was in the public discourse several months back industry pundits argued that if you taxed hedge funds you would get less of them. Right now that sounds like a good idea. Fewer hedge funds, fewer credit default swaps, less systemic risk.

OMG polecolaw, Someone who actually understands this, I cant believe it, Huzzah x3. How about taking all those 401k's and creating a mandatory contribution scheme, Say 10% to 15% that would raise approx 14 Trillion in savings. That would be half the total value of the banks, and there would be no credit crunch. Of course this would take some 20 years, but at least it would be a long term cure, if its not already too late. While your at it, how about a decent health care system so peoples savings would not be wiped out from a single medical bill, and it would drive medical research towards things like curing Diabetes instead of Restless leg syndrome, and this would create value in the health care market. There is only two ways out of this reduce investment, or increase savings, So lets invest in health and preventions, and increase savings so retiree's will have something when they get to that age.

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  • 6 votes
#1.20 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 7:57 AM EDT
{"commentId":3258450,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

Pamela - thank you!

SthPacific - I agree completely on the health care front. I have been fighting that battle all over the Vine for a while. As for other long term issues, I did a piece on policy implications the other day here if you are interested.

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  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
{"commentId":3265371,"authorDomain":"SthPacific"}

Ok done, But I think the savings issue, should come before health care. I would also throw free education into the mix, at least for a short time say five years. So you would have a system that would focus on Savings, (for retirement) Health and education. 

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  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":3265622,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

We should do some work together:-)

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#1.23 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3039068,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

pole:

GREAT article!!!!!

Clipping to MSNBC group in hopes that someone there reads it.

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Reply#2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
{"commentId":3039797,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

Thanks J:-) Trying to get back to writing but with everything going on it's hard to find the time.

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#2.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:31 AM EDT
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{"commentId":3047857,"authorDomain":"tang"}

Excellent article. I passed it along to msnbc.com business and news teams.

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Reply#3 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":3048139,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Calvin:

Isn't it wonderful? The accessible prose style on such a complicated subject is especially notable.

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#3.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":3050239,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Polecolaw is one of our finest economics writers. This is the kind of stuff that I came to Newsvine for and not the dross that regularly clutters up the front page. The problem here, like everywhere, is a corollary of Pat Moynihan's old adage that everyone's entitled to their opinions but everyone's not entitled to their own set of facts. Some of these people are so willfully blind that if their preferred political candidate said tomorrow that the sun rose in the west they'd be defending it somehow.

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#3.2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":3055606,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

j & Bill - I consider this high praise - especially coming from you. Thanks:-)

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#3.3 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
{"commentId":3065046,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

Calvin, good for you to pass this along. This is top-notch. Some of the best work I've seen on the Vine, to be sure. Accessible is right, Jack. Even an economics dummy like me can follow along.... ;-)

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#3.4 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":3147989,"authorDomain":"tang"}

I oftentimes catch wind of really great articles and contributors by way of someone emailing me and saying "hey, have you seen *this*?".

The Vine is a large place now, and I don't catch everything. So, please feel free to ping me if you see something that deserves more attention (and I don't mean meta articles).

:)

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#3.5 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":3254031,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

 (and I don't mean meta articles)

Aww shucks!

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#3.6 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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{"commentId":3069736,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}

What difference does it make if a bank is covered by FDIC or not when the government plans to bailout whomever they want to anyway?

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Reply#4 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":3070532,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

It prevents panic. If deposits were not insured there would have been bank runs, failures, and massive deposit losses by now.

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#4.1 - Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:10 AM EDT
{"commentId":3119184,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

Should I be concerned? I have substantial (to me anyway) deposits at ING, Emigrant and HSBC. Should I believe the FDIC guarantee?

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#4.2 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
{"commentId":3120354,"authorDomain":"Socrates1"}

If insured how would there be massive deposit losses?

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#4.3 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
{"commentId":3122087,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

It appears that "full faith and credit" doesn't mean what it used to...

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#4.4 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":3123957,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

There are bank runs in progress now. The runs are on financial institutions that do not have guaranteed funding sources like FDIC insured deposits. Investment banks, money market mutual funds, etc. If your bank fails you should ultimately get your deposits. The question is what will the ultimate cost to taxpayers be.

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#4.5 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3106689,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}

Polecolaw,

What do you think about the congressional revision ($150B with rights to return for more if needed)? Do you agree it's more a political move that allows dems to appear to be more fiscally conservative? My concern is the lack of attention a supplemental appropriation might get, say a few years hence when people are sick of hearing about it. Each time the White House comes back to the till, wouldn't even more added earmarks get tacked on (than if the entire bill were to be passed now when the country is paying attention)?

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Reply#5 - Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:41 AM EDT
{"commentId":3238817,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
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Reply#6 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
{"commentId":3239467,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

Facts about role of Banking dereg:

The Democrats are wrong in claiming that financial services deregulation is to blame for the current financial crisis--if anything, the financial sector has seen increased regulation since the savings and loan collapse in the 1980s. The lax supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which Republicans sought to strengthen in 2005, is the true culprit of this financial crisis

-- The repeal of portions of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999--often cited by people who know nothing about that law--has no relevance whatsoever to the financial crisis, with one major exception: it permitted banks to be affiliated with firms that underwrite securities, and thus allowed Bank of America Corp. to acquire Merrill Lynch & Co. and JPMorgan Chase & Co. to buy Bear Stearns Cos. Both transactions saved the government the costs of a rescue and spared the market substantial additional turmoil.

...None of the investment banks that got into financial trouble, specifically Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., were affiliated with commercial banks, and none were affected in any way by the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

From here.

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Reply#7 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
{"commentId":3240982,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

I beg to differ with your source. I have well documented the impact of Congresses decision NOT to regulate the derivatives market which provided insurance on these subprime bonds allowing them to explode. The IBanks, BTW, were purchasing mortgage banks. Why? So they could feed their securitization machines with mortgage product. In addition to these regulatory changes or decisions not to regulate are the 2004 changes that allowed iBanks to leverage to the hilt and allowed commercial banks to leverage off-balance sheet with the Feds and Treasury's blessings. All of this is well documented and the finger pointing at F/F, though somewhat justified, distracts from the more blatant and relevant regulatory changes. Those who claim there was no deregulation either do not understand the "regulations" that were passed or are intentionally trying to hide the ball.

The real blowout that caused the housing bubble started during the Bush administration and was was fueled by its deregulation of leverage rules for investment banks (August 2004) and commercial banks (June 2004). That's when the really toxic stuff was originated. And the paper clogging the system is not GSE paper. That paper is guaranteed by the taxpayers since the F/F conservatorship. The paper that needs cleaning up now was not originated or securitized by F/F. If anyone wants details on the deregulation I am referring to, you can find the deregulation of commercial banks off-balance sheet leverage here and the ensuing explosion of commercial paper and the subsequent collapse on the fourth graph of this Federal Reserve release. The deregulation of the investment banks that allowed them to leverage up that occurred while Paulson was in charge at Goldman and only benefited Goldman, Morgan, Merrill, Bear, and Lehman can be found here. If you would like a complete list of the deregulation that got us here you can find a good satirical but accurate piece here (though it misses the off-balance sheet bank regulations of 2004).

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#7.1 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":3253335,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Huh? Both Fannie and Freddie were hip-deep in alt-A mortgages which are now the driving force behind this crisis, not so-called "subprime", the difference between the two being more than a little bit muddled.

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#7.2 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
{"commentId":3253636,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

Bill - started with subprime, the worst of which were option arms, then spread to Alt-A due to falling home prices.  The worst are the option arms and true subprime no doc (liar loans) - did F/F underwrite those en mass?  I don't believe they did.  BTW, all F/F is now backed by taxpayers since takeover of F/F, so the $700 billion needed to buy the "crap" is not for F/F paper but mortgages that were originated, packaged and sold outside the F/F world.  F/F total subprime exposure is small relative to subprime market.

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#7.3 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":3256307,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

Well it appears the SEC has relaxed the mark-to market rule. See here. (sub req'd for full access)

Here's an interesting take by someone familiar with the issue

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#7.4 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 8:14 AM EDT
{"commentId":3258504,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

I think this whole mark-to-market relaxation is nonsense.  Does nothing to fix the problem or to even treat the illness.  Everyone will now look at level 3 assets with an even more suspicious eye and I don't see how that helps.  The Fed can, and has, relaxed capital rules.  This gets right to the point.

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#7.5 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
{"commentId":3259388,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

From above link (I think the guy makes some good points):

First, historical cost accounting has been the bedrock of financial reporting not only for banks but also for other enterprises. The proposal to provide market value data for loans is a departure from this concept. Many view it as a first step to ultimately requiring market value accounting for banks.

Second, bank lending activities are distinct from investment banking and trading activities. The FASB is not alone in observing that banks have increasingly put assets up for sale in a variety of transactions, including strip participations and other loan sales. These asset sales, as well as the comments of some bank executives that everything is up for sale, no doubt reinforce the conclusion that market value disclosures would be beneficial. Bankers argue, however, that loan sales should be viewed more as a new business activity, rather than as a change in the traditional lending activities that constitute the major portion of their business. The assets are not suited or originated for market distribution.

Third, lending activities are long-term with profit determined by interest rate gap management and ultimate collectibility. Conversely, market valuation is short-term and subject to wide and volatile fluctuations throughout the period to maturity. Bankers argue that the market value data presented under the requirements would likely be dated and perhaps misleading by the time it reached financial statement users. They note that the market before the October 19 crash, for example, bears little resemblance to the market today. Many bankers have stated that market value data does not reflect banking practices and would require banks to generate data not used by management.

Fourth, collectibility, not marketability, is the prime risk determinant in lending activities. For example, the money center banks' willingness to extend credit to the securities industry after the October 19 [1987] crash, in spite of severe temporary liquidity concerns, reflects their judgment that the loans were collectible, rather than marketable. This is not unusual. Many lending decisions are unique and will not be subject to market valuations.

Fifth, loans are very different from other financial instruments (for example, investment securities) for which market value data is reported. There is no quoted market price for most loans, which are normally based on a private relationship between the bank and its customer. Often, loan documentation prohibits transfer or sale of the loan. Market value disclosure would be only an estimate subject to wide variability.

john woodlief

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#7.6 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
{"commentId":3262191,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

All good points.  The issue I take with it, however, is that what the banks are now holding are assets that were originated for sale, not for portfolio.  If they were originated for portfolio then they really screwed up on the funding side.

Traditional loans that are made for holding in portfolio, as far as I understand it, are reserved against the same way they always have been.  This "mark-to-expected-recovery" method shouldn't be applied when the bank is generating assets it intended to sell.  They want it both ways - they want to be a commercial bank when that works out the best for them and an investment bank when that works best.  

If I am wrong please feel free to let me know.  I am not an expert on bank accounting. I will note, however, that they also mark-to-market certain liabilities - go figure.  

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#7.7 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":3262412,"authorDomain":"waynester"}

I am in no position to judge either way, you are both better informed than me on this subject. I just thought it sounded like reasoned commentary. Thanks for your assessment.

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#7.8 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3260347,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

polecolaw

There's not a helluva lot of difference between subprime and alt-A save for the fact that the former is generally marked by a few warning flags that warrant a higher yield. There was plenty of phony baloney in the alt-A originations as well including no income verification and the like and F/F were driving that train bigtime:

Fannie Mae is supposed to be prime, but its reporting some issues with loans involving less than perfect credit.

On Tuesday, Fannie Mae (nyse: FNM - news - people ) executives told analysts that 43.0%, or $946 million, of the $2.2 billion in losses incurred during the first quarter involved Alt-A loans. They also said that the company's "Alt-A book will continue to drive an outsize portion of our overall credit losses." Fannie also reported $344.6 billion current Alt-A exposure and a limited strategy for stemming future losses.

These types of loans are attractive to lenders because the rates are higher than rates on prime classified mortgages, but they are still backed by borrowers with stronger credit ratings than subprime borrowers. However, with the higher rates comes additional risk for lenders because there is a lack of documentation--including limited proof of the borrower's income.

Fannie's Chief Executive Daniel Muddacknowedged that underwriting wasn't what it should have been during the mortgage market's heyday, saying that every company has a got part of their book that worries them most, and "In our case, it's the Alt-A book and we are focused on that."

Mudd said that the Alt-A vintages performing most poorly in a four-year average book were late '05, '06 or early '07. That is, notably, most of the time.

What sunk Wachovia was its purchase (for $26 billion) of Herb and Marian Sandler's Golden West which was a huge player in alt-A mortgages in California marked by such features as "skip a payment" which adds the missed interest to the principal creating negative amortization.

Now that I think we've about exhausted our commentary on the roots of the crisis the best thing to do is to focus on what should rise out of the ruins in the way of reform. My contention is that the GSEs have outlived their usefulness and need to be broken up and sold off as part of this deal. It simply makes no sense to allow two entities to dominate 70% of any market especially entities capable of rolling the politicians on the Hill.

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Reply#8 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":3262320,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

Bill - I have read this before.  It's all over the Vine.  The issue i have with it is that it is a small portion of the subprime market ($344 billion in Alt-A compared to about $1.2 trillion of subprime origination per year for 2004, 2005, and 2006).  There is a difference between "subprime" and Alt-A and it is in credit scores.  The really bad stuff was outside the F/F world.  The fact that Alt-A is now suffering is a cascading effect just like auto and credit card loans, which will now be defaulting at higher than normal rates.

OK, now let's discuss what to do next.  Right now I am very Keynsian.  We need a massive bottom up set of policies plus huge alternative energy R&D tax incentives plus massive investment in education.  Oh yes, and doing something about the half trillion dollars of annual waste in the health care system would also be nice:-)

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#8.1 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3315580,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Mark, what you are proposing is essentially a monetization of this crisis by printing money. I don't think that's likely to do anything except set off a ruinous inflation. Let's say for the sake of argument that this bill does not unlock the credit markets. Then what do we do? God forbid that I should be advocating nationalization but if this doesn't work I don't see an alternative to US and other governments essentially using governmental power (through the central banks) to force these institutions to lend at reasonable rates. I mean what good will it do to unload some of this stuff onto the taxpayer, to the banks' benefit, if it does not result in unlocking the credit markets? Because if current conditions persist or get worse we're headed into a deep worldwide recession that may take a decade to come out of.

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#8.3 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":3327341,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

Bill - how am I proposing printing money to get out of this problem?  Please explain.

If the bill does not "work" (which is a bit like defining "victory" in Iraq) then credit markets will continue to freeze up.  I hate to say it but I don't think the banks have the ability to replace the funding that's drying up right now.  We are talking about trillions of dollars in funding that is evaporating.  This is a massive deleveraging that, I believe, goes beyond the banks.  I am very worried about a deep global recession and I am afraid that the Fed will ultimately do its best to inflate us out of it.  I don't think we are facing many really good options right now.  I'm willing to listen to any suggestions, but I think we need to recapitalize the banks (even with a taxpayer equity stake), insure all bank deposits to prevent further runs on the banks (the bill opened up the Treasury without limit for FDIC), and provide spending/saving power to middle income households so they don't cascade into defaulting on everything they have.  Allowing a massive recession is not palatable and the government will, as they have in the past, attempt to inflate us out of this.  

I think we are about to pay the price for the "monetary stabalization" of the past couple of decades and the borrow-and-spend policies of the Reagan Bush Bush administrations.  Interesting policy choices - tax wealth or watch it evaproate to inflation?  

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#8.4 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3264080,"authorDomain":"polecolaw"}

For more good information on the CRA and F/F, this blog has a lot of information.

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Reply#9 - Thu Oct 2, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":3315866,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Ahhhh. You guys can spin this a million ways to Sunday and it still will not change the fact that the underwriting standards at the GSE were lowered exactly shortly after the Clinton administration coming into office and pushing "affordable housing", that these GSEs make the secondary market controlling 70% of it, that Fannie Mae is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party and that Fannie Mae had only good things to say about Angelo Mozila and Countrywide. Now you can chalk this up to self-dealing on the part of Fannie and Johnson, Raines and Gorelick's desire to enrich themselves and their Wall Street clients or you can say that the Wall Street chicken demanded more eggs and the Fannie hatchery provided them and the distinctions between subprime and alt-A aren't as brightline as you would suggest.

So since we're going to agree to disagree on the roots of this crisis the best thing to do is to move on to the next question addressed by my comment immediately above.

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#9.1 - Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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